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Pinnacle Studio 17 splash screen

As we announced yesterday updating our news All about Pinnacle Studio 17, the latest birth in the Pinnacle Studio family is actually released today.
The purchase is immediately available for download on the website of Pinnacle and the first DVD deliveries will take place around November 8th, 2013.

And as at Declic-Video we strive to always be at the top for our loyal readers, we had to get the information as soon as possible and especially to test the software for you as soon as possible.

While waiting for our test, here are the basics that there is to know about this new release and our first impressions.

 

 

 

As usual now the software is proposed in three 3 versions : PS17 $59.95, PS17 Plus $99.95 ($69.95 if upgrade) and PS17 Ultimate $129.95 ($89.95 if upgrade).

3 versions

As well tell you right away PS17 is a continuation of PS16 but it is not the revolution that we had when we went to PS15 Avid Studio.

The real news are :

  • import and export compatibility for 4K or Ultra HD. Currently it's already possible to configure your project in 3840x2160. Pinnacle announced a free patch to come out in December 2013 to implement 4K. Thus, wait & see.
  • a screen grab program (standalone version) named Live Screem Capturing. Program already delivered with other softwares from Corel.
  • an audio processing program (standalone version) called iZotope Music & Speech Cleaner. This is a denoiser (noise, hum, crackle) as was Soundsoap. Music & Speech Cleaner is no longer developed by iZotope for 3 years but is still available in bundle with other products.
  • H.264 smart Rendering. The principle is to re-encode only the parts of an editing that has not been modified (transition or effect). So the encoding time is reduced significantly. It does work this time only for mp4. Hopefully they will extend it to .mts .m2ts and .mov because a lot of camcorders record in these formats.
    Early user feedback report malfunctions (Smart rendering unavailable, crash at export, unreadable or pixelated final file). For me the few tests I have done were bluffing. Encoding speed multiplied by 4 or 5 on non-recoded parts. Top of the pop !
  • Blu-ray 50p or 60p export. It was time that the software adopts the latest development of the Blu-ray standard.

The improvements :

  • hardware acceleration via CUDA compatible graphics cards is back. When your CPU is too low it is supported by the GPU. This feature was disabled in a PS16 patch because there were too many problems with the latest versions of Nvidia drivers. Personally I did not test it because my CPU is very recent.
  • elements of the library are more easily identified by a 4 colors set (blue for media purple for projects, green for collections and yellow for content).
  • Solo button is now disabled by default.
  • .XMF files are correctly imported (at least the ones I've tested).

What remains to be done :

  • translation issues in non English localized versions
  • still no Multicam, Motion Tracking, or dynamic timewarp.
  • no titler improvement.

I feel that this is a release output a little early but I think that Pinnacle will do everything to release free patches to get things done.

A pleasant surprise for those who had already PS16 on their PC they will not have to transfer all their plugins into PS17. This is quite unexpected but if PS16 is already on your PC, C:\Program Files (x86)\Pinnacle\Studio 16\plugins\RTFx and C:\Program Files (x86)\Pinnacle\Studio 16\plugins\RTFXV2 directories from PS16 are used by PS17.

Check out some screenshots below.

Overview of the new interface (everything became straight, no roundness or edge). Note the four colors to identify the elements of the library :

Interface overview

Live Screen Capturing :

Live Screen Capturing

iZotope Music & Speech Cleaner :

iZotope

The Smart feature :

Smart

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Sobreira
#Sobreira
Tuesday, October 29, 2013 9:45 PM
Vamos aguardar para ver. Pinnacle 16 ainda com muitas travas e erros. Esperamos que resolvam. Grande abraços prá vocês.
Graham
#Graham
Wednesday, October 30, 2013 12:02 AM
Thank you for the quick review. I will be looking forward to more. I have used a trial version of Izotope cleaner and found it more effective than Sound soap with fewer artifacts, so hopefully this is the same version. Do PS 16 projects import into 17 directly ? What about older projects say from PS14? What about multi cams.I have mixed 4 camera,( GoPro,Canon,Sony, and a VHS-C camera) projects using separate tracks, so what do you consider multi cam ?
alderny
Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:59 AM
Do you have a link to a trial version of Pinnacle Studio 17?
Ken
#Ken
Wednesday, October 30, 2013 6:15 AM
What I've been waiting for is to be able to download from my Canon XA10 files larger than 2GB. I record concerts for the artists archive. Each half of the show is 60 minutes giving a file for each half of 11GB. Only Sony Vegas Movie Studio allows downloading each half as one file thereby avoiding trying to join files on timeline - which never works with music.

DOES PS17 address this issue? PS16 did not.
saby
#saby
Wednesday, October 30, 2013 6:42 AM
@ Graham
No difference between PS16 and PS17 projects

PS14 projects will load just as fine or as bad that it loaded in PS16. It depends.

By Multicam I meant an intregated tool to automatically synchronize several sources of the same shooting.

@ alderny
Not yet available from Pinnacle. Sorry.

@ Ken
I actually don't now.
Crimsonhelldragon
#Crimsonhelldragon
Wednesday, October 30, 2013 7:10 AM
Honestly. for now I'm a little bit disappointed. I expected just multicam, motion tracking and dynamic timewarp and color correction and something like eliminate the disc menu bar and let be able to use the montage of the disc menu also for videos not projected for disc or not only. Indeed in it is not a revolutionary video editor like it was the first Avid Studio. PS 17 more looks like a follower of what other advanced home video video editors already introduced unlike Media Composer which gets more innovative at every edition.
Jay
Wednesday, October 30, 2013 7:56 AM
I have been using Pinnacle Studio since ver. 9 and watched the progress of the product. The features and functions got progressively better. Then with Studio 16 there was a radical change and it looked like AVID. I was trying to contact Corel to find out if it would support the new 4K format. I found the answer only by reading the reviews on the Pinnacle 17. This is where they fall down consistently. Support!There is no way to contact the contact the company either by phone or email, etc. without reaching for your wallet. There support function really is awful. No online chat, just for a simple question. They made it impossible to talk to anyone; even at corp. headquarters in CA. Corel wants you to pay for everything. Their FAQ's are useless. They need to model themselves after HP. It would definitely improve sales and improve customer satisfaction.
Eugene
#Eugene
Wednesday, October 30, 2013 12:26 PM
Do I understand that P17 will burn 50/60 BR discs?

Gene
saby
#saby
Wednesday, October 30, 2013 3:51 PM
@ Eugene
Yes it does.
Eugene
#Eugene
Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:20 PM
I mean actually burning AVCHD 2 at 50/60P to a Blu-ray disc?
Graham
#Graham
Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:29 PM
There a lot of NLE's that don't offer multi camera sync such that there is a plug in called "Plural Eyes". Last time I checked there wasn't a PS version but that was over a year ago.
saby
#saby
Thursday, October 31, 2013 6:09 AM
@ Eugene
I did not test it myself yet, but yes it should.
Sorcer
#Sorcer
Thursday, October 31, 2013 7:06 PM
Can someone test the new smart rendering feature on m2ts files to see if it works? Camera Canon Xa10. This is the best feature that this program needs.
saby
#saby
Friday, November 1, 2013 1:15 PM
Not yet working for .mts.
Should be added in a future patch.
Déclic Vidéo FX
#Déclic Vidéo FX
Friday, November 1, 2013 3:25 PM
Latest article: PINNACLE STUDIO 17, PLUS and ULTIMATE
...Enjoy...

DV FX
Andy
#Andy
Saturday, November 2, 2013 7:47 AM
Hi, I switched to Avid Studio some time ago but now know that they are not really interested in taking the programme further. Today an offer from Studio appeared on starting Avid to buy Studio 17. What I would like to know is, would I gain any real benefits from studio 17 over Avid Studio.
Many thanks
alderny
Saturday, November 2, 2013 11:26 AM
Andy - There's no doubt in my mind that Avid Studio was a BIG improvement over Pinnacle Studio 15. Then Pinnacle Studio 16 was a slight but worthwhile improvement over Avid Studio. I haven't got Pinnacle Studio 17 yet, but hopefully it will, after one or two patches, be another step in the right direction. It seems though that PS17's smart rendering still has some way to go.

To answer your question it really depends on how much you use your LNE software. If you use it fairly often then I would say definitely yes. The main advantages I find with PS16 over AS is that it offers better timeline and library navigation. I also find the timeline editing more intuitive on PS16.
Brad
#Brad
Saturday, November 2, 2013 3:51 PM
I purchased the upgrade for ps 17, but I can not figure out how to upgrade the software. I received an email with my serial number but when I put it into PS 16 it says it's not valid. Is there a place to downlowd PS 17 ultimate? Thanks.
alderny
Saturday, November 2, 2013 5:47 PM
Brad - the serial you purchased has nothing at all to do with the copy of Pinnacle Studio 16 you already have installed on your computer. The email you received with the serial number in should also have contained a link to the Corel website, where you can download PS17. Do this, and then follow the instructions for installing PS17 as given on this website.
peter Huber
#peter Huber
Sunday, November 3, 2013 12:16 AM
Just wondering if there is a parogram - where I can quickly edit raw footage (take out the crap) and then use this edited footage in my Pinnacle studio
Crimsonhelldragon
#Crimsonhelldragon
Sunday, November 3, 2013 7:09 AM
So, seems Starglow is not in it as I thought. Looking what other brands did in giving new bonuses, this in PS17 is poor. Unfortunately still not able to perform alpha effects, but screen record was a great idea. Now, about that is to do video crop and on pics be also able to crop a part in the middle an put together the right and left part. Color correction, zoom on videos. On montage the ones where the bg is black it should be invisible also the inglobation of pics is sometime very bad. To transform pics and videos from black and white to technic color and remove video effects and filters from videos and pics we will have to wait somethin like Media Composer 12. The NewBlue stabilizer, Video Essentials VI and Sound Benders would be great plugins. I asked them if there's editions or a patch to be able to install it on AS, PS16 or PS17, they said no. iZotope vocal eraser. Are digital juice Compositor's Toolkit applicable on PS17?
alderny
Sunday, November 3, 2013 8:19 AM
Peter Huber - Er, um, Pinnacle is an editing program and can cut the 'crap' as quickly as any other editing program. Why use two editors? Sorry, but it sounds a bit like asking if there's something that can make the grass on my lawn shorter before I mow it.
Déclic Vidéo FX
#Déclic Vidéo FX
Sunday, November 3, 2013 8:39 AM
@ Crimsonhelldragon, as far as I know, the alpha effects is usable (for example, export BluffTitler movie and it works within Studio 16/17). Regarding the color correction, I am not sure what you are looking for, but we published recently a tutorial to explain how to colorize a movie. You might have missed this one ? Finally, for NewBlue, I have them into PS 17 (from PS 16) as well as Starglow which is still there. I assume that you have either not done correctly the installation or had a problem somewhere.

Regards,
DV FX
eagle
#eagle
Sunday, November 3, 2013 2:37 PM
-sigh- no ways to get a trial version of PS17?

I am new in this world, I do not intend to purchase it with bends in my eyes...

Pinnacle is not offering it or they are simply late in creating a link? Because there is already available the link to register the trial version of PS17..
Déclic Vidéo FX
#Déclic Vidéo FX
Sunday, November 3, 2013 3:19 PM
@ eagle,

The TRIAL version will arrive, please be patient...
Have a look and read carefully everything we posted here please: All about Pinnacle Studio 17

Stay tuned and subscribe to our newsletter to receive the information immediately when it will become available.

DV FX
TonyP
#TonyP
Monday, November 4, 2013 3:43 AM
@Crimsonhelldragon. Many of the points you present that can not be done in PS17 actually can be done.

So, seems Starglow is not in it as I thought.
Never heard of this plugin.

Looking what other brands did in giving new bonuses, this in PS17 is poor.
Name one consumer NLE that gives you Red Giant plugins (in the Ultimate version)?

Unfortunately still not able to perform alpha effects, but screen record was a great idea.
I would have to know what you mean by "alpha" channel. Is this the same as Chroma or Luma keying? Screen recording is a feature I have never had a need for. But it is there and can help in trouble shooting.

Now, about that is to do video crop and on pics be also able to crop a part in the middle an put together the right and left part.
You need a photo editor for the photos to do that. But it, along with the video cropping can be done with the 2D-3D effects editor.

Color correction, zoom on videos. On montage the ones where the bg is black it should be invisible also the inglobation of pics is sometime very bad.
Color correction. There is color correction within PS17/16, and with Red Giant Magic Bullet Looks, you have an arsenal of tools at your disposal. What is missing is secondary color correction, something I would like to have. Zooming into a video? You can and it is keyframe and easily done in 2D-3D effects editor. But you have to have at least the Plus version. The Basic version doesn't have this feature. The same with Montage. I do it all the time, change the background from black to whatever image/video I want.

To transform pics and videos from black and white to technic color and remove video effects and filters from videos and pics we will have to wait somethin like Media Composer 12.
No you don't. Again, you can do this with keyframing within PS16/17 Plus or Ultimate.

The NewBlue stabilizer, Video Essentials VI and Sound Benders would be great plugins. I asked them if there's editions or a patch to be able to install it on AS, PS16 or PS17, they said no.
You have ProDAD Mercalli for stabilization. Sure, the availability of more plugins would be great, but such is life.

Are digital juice Compositor's Toolkit applicable on PS17?
I don't know since I am not a big effects person. But there is someone that uses Digital Juice and has a tutorial on using it in PS16.
A lot of work has to be done on PS17 in order for me to totally abandon PS16U which has been very stable for me.
Hoping for the best.
TonyP
#TonyP
Monday, November 4, 2013 3:48 AM
...note to webmaster.... the posts do not support tags such as quote or text formatting. My above post would look better since I quoted Crimsonhelldragon and replied to him point by point.
Thanks!
Ken
#Ken
Monday, November 4, 2013 4:58 AM
Going to have to keep on downloading from Canon XA10 with Vegas Movie studio until I can see if PS17 can download files larger than 2GB. Will have to wait for Trial PS17. Used Pinnacle/Avid for years but the above problem has caused me to switch.
saby
#saby
Monday, November 4, 2013 5:03 AM
Using files larger than 2Gb in PS17? Yes it does, as did PS16 too.
At least on my system.
Ken
#Ken
Monday, November 4, 2013 6:31 AM
Perhaps I didn't make it quite clear. When I download from Canon XA10 (or any camcorder - I film a show on 3 cams) the file I have recorded on each is say 10GB (each half of concert). If I download using PS16 it breaks them into four 2 GB files. Putting these together on timeline is OK but the results is that you can hear/see a glitch between each one. Not good when it's music. I've tried stitching together with 3rd party programs but not satisfactory.

Sony Vegas Movie Studio downloads footage as one complete 10GB file to drop on Timeline. Having always worked with Pinnacle/Avid it would be nice to be able to download with PS17 and not have to download with Movie Studio and then import. If Sony can do it surely Pinnacle can, even if it means a patch. I will await the Trial version.
Marcel
#Marcel
Monday, November 4, 2013 9:42 AM
Hi. Just purchased the upgrade offer for PS17 Ultimate, upgrading from Avid Studio. This is for my daughter who said she is halfway through editing a film on Avid and if we upgrade, will she have to start the project again?

Is it worth her completing this project before upgrading to PS17?
TonyP
#TonyP
Monday, November 4, 2013 10:17 AM
@Marcel. Just a little advise. FINISH YOUR PROJECT FIRST in the software you are familiar with and that is working for you BEFORE trying to finish it in a new program you are unfamiliar with that can bring untold problems for you.
Once the project is finished, then you can mess around with the new program, which will load the old project.
Marcel
#Marcel
Monday, November 4, 2013 10:31 AM
@TonyP. Yes, probably good advice on that front.

Just out of interest, will Avid projects be compatible with PS17?

Thanks in advance
TonyP
#TonyP
Monday, November 4, 2013 11:09 AM
@Marcel, they should be. I have AS1, PS16 and PS17 on my computer. They seem to co-exist nicely. I would not get rid of Avid Studio until you are sure that everything in PS17 is working to your satisfaction.
Marcel
#Marcel
Monday, November 4, 2013 11:12 AM
@TonyP. OK, thanks for that. Much appreciated.
Déclic Vidéo FX
#Déclic Vidéo FX
Monday, November 4, 2013 12:51 PM
I do confirm that PS16 project can be imported without any problem in PS17. Nonetheless, I also suggest to finish your project before migrating... That's a very good advice ! :-)

DV FX
Crimsonhelldragon
#Crimsonhelldragon
Tuesday, November 5, 2013 5:05 PM
The first Avid Studio was realized by Avid technology and Avid technicians, PS16 & PS17 didn't. I think Avid would turn back into home video video editing and realize a new "Avid Studio" series. Now it is free from Pinnacle plugins so Avid could orient it to Boris fx, Genarts and Tiffen Dfx instead of Magic Bullet Looks.
Graham
#Graham
Tuesday, November 5, 2013 11:42 PM
As to Avid's interests in Pinnacle or consumer products in general, is none. I use Avid Venue on my Avid SC 48 mixing console and I can tell you they wanted out of the consumer market on both audio and Video. Far more hand holding ,service, is required, with less return on the dollar,in the consumer market. Corrle has been given the opportunity to move into a pro-sumer niche. Wether or not they take advantage of it is to be seen.I would spend up to $300.00 for a semi pro version.More than that and I would probably bite the bullet and go Avid.P.S. Part of the deal when Avid sold out was that some of the software engineers stayed with the project, how many did I have no idea.
Andy
#Andy
Wednesday, November 6, 2013 12:40 AM
So, from what I have been reading here it appears that although Avid was a big step forward, we have now been left hi and dry as far as development etc. goes. The question still remains is S17 as good/better than Avid?
Crimsonhelldragon
#Crimsonhelldragon
Wednesday, November 6, 2013 3:07 AM
@Andy, stereoscopic 3D, 4K and screen record are the only really advantage PS17 can gives you to Avid Studio. Also if you're not interested in 3D editing, if HD for you is enough and if your videos don't request screen record, you don't need PS17. There's plugins around as Red Giant Starglow and Warp, the NewBlue ones, ProDad ones which can give you nice opportunities/advantages. If Avid realized PS17/Avid Studio 3, it would be much better and useful just like PS16/Avid Studio 2.
Andy
#Andy
Wednesday, November 6, 2013 4:44 AM
many thanks
Déclic Vidéo FX
#Déclic Vidéo FX
Wednesday, November 6, 2013 3:03 PM
@ Crimsonhelldragon, I think that you could wait a looooooooong time before AVID make a new home video editing program...
;-)

DV FX
TonyP
#TonyP
Wednesday, November 6, 2013 3:29 PM
As posted above, Avid bought a very profitable Pinnacle company. In the process, they slightly improved the killer NLE Liquid and then killed it. It was designed by FAST to be a Media Composer competitor with networking, etc for production and tv studios to use. Well, they killed it and offered us Liquid users a chance to buy Media Composer cheap. Real cheap. They also said they were working on a replacement for Liquid with less "pro" features such as networking, scopes, etc.. Well, they made sure that is was not even a prosumer product. Where with Liquid, you could multicam yourself to death with up to 16 cameras, Avid Studio had zero. Secondary color correction? Gone. Dynamic Timewarping? Gone. Networking? Gone, but I never used it. Compositing? Gone. Then Avid was taking a hit financially. Also, as posted above, consumers seem to need a lot of hand holding... a drain on resources considering the price of the product. Do the math.. product costs consumer $70 say. You have the cost of development, packaging, marketing, shipping, store markup and now you have someone calling about how to install it and is on the phone for 1 or so hours with tech support. How much profit is left? Time to get out of the consumer market. And they did. They sold Pinnacle for peanuts compared to what they paid for it. Corel effectively bought a competitor to their VideoStudioPro and a slightly more upscale product in Avid Studio. They kill Studio and continue to work on Avid Studio v2, which was to be named Pinnacle Studio. I have to say, Corel did come out with a couple of patches for PS16, where neither Avid nor Pinnacle did anything for Studio15. Now, to get a product out before the holiday sales, the rush out PS17, with a bunch of fixes soon to follow.
Yes, Avid has seen the last of the consumer market and unloaded all of it's holdings in it including M-Audio.
Crimsonhelldragon
#Crimsonhelldragon
Wednesday, November 6, 2013 3:35 PM
@Déclic Vidéo FX
I contact Avid and asked about it. here's the answer:
...great question! When you look at our recent announcements you'll see, Avid intends to connect creative professionals and media organizations with their audiences in a more powerful, efficient, collaborative, and profitable way. AK"

Maybe not so long as you think. Especially if Avid Studio users who are not so satisfied with its legacy start to ask for Avid technology so a new "Avid Studio" legacy.
TonyP
#TonyP
Wednesday, November 6, 2013 3:41 PM
@Crimsonhelldragon.... Avid is out of the consumer market. They aren't coming back. Even if they wanted to, they do not have the money to do this. Besides, when they came out with Avid Studio, if they had modeled it as a scaled down Media Composer, you might have had more prosumers buying it, along with and upgrade path to Media Composer if they wanted to go this route. But no, they came out with a new NLE that was over 3 years in the making that wasn't cutting edge in the least. Don't get me wrong, I loved it, but having owned Liquid, I wanted more. Avid Studio was suppose to be a replacement for Avid Liquid and it wasn't.
Besides, the consumer NLE market is overcrowded now. You have Corel, Pinnacle, PowerDirector, Magix, Serif and who knows what else out there. Why jump into an overcrowded market? Not smart business. Avid is concentrating on their professional market and that's it.
Crimsonhelldragon
#Crimsonhelldragon
Wednesday, November 6, 2013 3:58 PM
@TonyP
Because Avid Studio is a home video until Avid Liquid was a professional editor so it's obvious it was better. About Avid Studio seems the rumors Corel bought it to destroy it, 'cause competition, but first make money on it are true. The newest CorelVideoStudio its ultimate full version is just $0,04 more expensive than PS UPGRADE version. Curently Pinnacle Studio 17 is just a follower of other brands ideas as Cyberlink and Magix.
I know the priority of Avid is professional market, keep Media Composer the dominant video editor. also this year they edit other successful products as NewsCutter 11, Pro Tools 11, AvidMotionGraphics 2.5.
Déclic Vidéo FX
#Déclic Vidéo FX
Wednesday, November 6, 2013 4:18 PM
@ Crimsonhelldragon,

I do not believe that AVID will make a HOME video editing program (because this is what we are talking about). Have a look to their answer:

"{...} Avid intends to connect creative professionals and media organizations with their audiences in {...}

Where do you see home video editing ???
Nonetheless, I might be wrong, like beginning of september, when everybody claims I was crazy when I announce Pinnacle Studio 17 (see Pinnacle Studio 17 is arriving ...)

DV FX
Crimsonhelldragon
#Crimsonhelldragon
Wednesday, November 6, 2013 4:24 PM
Obviously my english sucks or something like that...
TonyP
#TonyP
Wednesday, November 6, 2013 4:50 PM
@Crimsonhelldragon, I too think that Pinnacle is following the other brands instead of leading them. Corel might be seeing how Pinnacle will make them money (even though they bought it "cheap", it was still, I believe $18million). That's a lot of copies to sell. Corel's own VideoStudioPro does come out with some worthwhile features, not just a cosmetic face lift.
I really would like to see Pinnacle take the lead. They could offer as they do now, different levels. But the "Ultimate" should not just be more plugins, but at least offer what the other programs offer. Multicam sync, secondary color correction, dynamic timewarp, subtitle, etc.. Right now, outside of the Red Giant plugins, what does it offer that the other editors don't already have? And I do own VideoStudioPro. It's a great program, but for my needs, limited is some areas.
Here is to hoping that we see Pinnacle break new ground instead of running behind everyone.
And your English is pretty good!
Crimsonhelldragon
#Crimsonhelldragon
Wednesday, November 6, 2013 5:18 PM
Pinnacle seems a step behind Power Director. Seems the new version is able to import. I know people and I did too uploaded pdf material on youtube, you need a converter to transform pdf in pictures. I installed in my Avid Studio 1.1 (I use that one) Red Giant Warp and Starglow, ProDAD Vitascene 1.1 and Mercalli 1, NewBlue Video Essentials 1,2,3 also the free effects selections from Adorage 11 and the free holtz effects. This is all very useful, but I would gladly change this with a brand as Boris fx, Genarts, Tiffen, Sorenson also Tiffen Dfx 3 would be much better than any Red Giant plugin from the color suite 11. What I disslike in AS is the cropping pictures montage and almost never the background is not invisible. Change this with a system when you import pics and vids in 3D mode, I mean with the 3 arrows when you decide the size, form and position of the file. It would must be specific ways of montage as now, but with not limitation to the number of files and also the way, line of montage you decide so it would be unlimited possibilities and of course on an invisible background (idk if I was clear). Did you ever see the video "Heat Of The Moment" of Asia? That montage effect is epic. So the disc menu wouldn't exist and the bar of disc menu could be the one for pdf. A page would be long as how a pic is and to be able to post video effects on it and transition in between. A plugin as Rays v1 could be also very useful. Another thing when I post a transition between 2 videos it is always or almost always a "black hole" in the middle. I have to enlarge the timeline and take a picture of the lastest moment of the video and put the picture before the next video to have a correctly posted transition. Is it for you too?
Crimsonhelldragon
#Crimsonhelldragon
Wednesday, November 6, 2013 6:42 PM
I forgot to signed my previous comment was for @TonyP
Marcel
#Marcel
Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:16 AM
A question on licencing. With the Pinnacle 17 Upgrade, can you still keep Avid installed (or install it) on another PC so that you have PS17 on one PC and Avid on another?
TonyP
#TonyP
Thursday, November 7, 2013 4:17 AM
@Crimsonhelldragon,
The fx packages that you would like to use cost far more than Pinnacle Studio. While I too would like to see even "lite" versions of them for Studio, the question is how many people will buy it. NewBlue used to make their products available for Pinnacle, but not any more. The only reason I can think of is sales. Not many buy them, so it is not worth the cost of getting them to work with the program. All the fx packages you listed are designed to work with PRO editors that can cost up to 10 times as much as Pinnacle. For those people that use them, spending for Boris FX (and I had it with Premiere and the DV500) and the others would not be a problem. But someone spending $100, it would be. I am grateful that Red Giant has made some of their products available for Pinnacle.
The cropping pictures in Montage? I think it depends on which theme you use. It would be nice to be able to edit the photos first from within Montage. As for the background being "invisible", most of them are. I use motion backgrounds or video behind many of the Montage themes.
I have never had an issue with transitions between videos. I suggest you expand the timeline to single frame and take a look to see if there is a frame gap.
I've used AS1, PS16U and now PS17U and have done many videos, most with transitions and never an problem.
Back to fx for the program. It has to be profitable for the fx company to make plugins available. When people are buying inexpensive editors, they certainly are not going buy expensive plugins. The fx makers know this and don't bother wasting resources. Again, NewBlue stopped with Video Essentials V, which partially worked and they never sent out a patch (to my knowledge) to fix it for Studio users.
Again, none of the other consumer editors have the Red Giant plugins except Pinnacle. Although Pinnacle always seems to be playing catch up as you said, here, they are ahead. Now, if they can just get Particular to work properly.
TonyP
#TonyP
Thursday, November 7, 2013 4:19 AM
@Marcel, you should be able to. What you would need is the serial number from Avid Studio. I would guess after you install PS17, then you can uninstall it, re-install it on another computer, but make sure you know the email address you registered the program with.
Crimsonhelldragon
#Crimsonhelldragon
Thursday, November 7, 2013 5:41 AM
@TonyP
I know very well the prices of those plugins and that they're for pro use only. It was just a funny example. I know there's no way we saw any of those into any home video video editor. NewBlue video essentials V to me work as well, VE VI can be use in Power DIrector 11+ and Magix I guess, but VII is just for pro. Idk why they did it and there's no even a patch to fix it. NB transitions are also compatible with AS/PS, but nothing of audio and titles, of corrections only color fast, but you got flash remover in one of the VE. I have Vitascene 1.1 installed in my AS and really work as well. Idk what the separet edition got more. The 8 Red Giant effects I guess are the only compatible with AS/PS the others, the ones in the 5 suites on Red Giants are not, at least the last time I took a look. I always take a look to the other new video editors around and yes no one got Red Giant effects. I think Corel would stop timing between PS and CVS and join them knowledge and technology to create a new video editor which would become the leader in home video.
TonyP
#TonyP
Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:32 AM
@Crimsonhelldragon. The Red Giant plugins in Pinnacle are "light" versions of the real thing. And no, again, the full version of these plugins are for professional editors. I think I am fortunate to have the ones there already.
As for Corel having just one editor, I think that is a good idea. Maybe that is why they are testing the 3 versions of Pinnacle Studio. Corel could offer a transfer price to those that have their VideoStudioPro program. That is what happened when the DV500 was being discontinued, which included Adobe Premiere. We were offered Pinnacle Edition (Liquid) for $55. Corel would have to offer a very reasonable price to get people to switch. It certainly would streamline Corel's operational costs with only having to concentrate on one editor. Right now, I believe that Corel is feeling this out as far as programming goes. With everyone that programed PS16 basically gone, the program is in the hands of new programmers with PS17. Let's see how this turns out. While I love PS16/17, I am looking at a more professional program to do what I thought Avid Studio should have done in the very beginning.
Crimsonhelldragon
#Crimsonhelldragon
Friday, November 8, 2013 6:23 PM
@TonyP I contacted Corel and asked if they have projects for PS and CVS united. This is the answer "Not at the moment, but messages such as yours are important in helping us shape our product direction. We'll share this with our product team. Tara, Corel Support." Even if they will considerate such a thing it would be out 2016 earliest. Will be available for AS and PS16&17 other red giant plugins as Mir, Echospace, Psunami, Horizont and others? I mean in the pinnacle store? Except 3D, 4K and screen record what else PS17 has really useful in making videos that AV cannot offer? If I'm not interested in those 3 things, would be really worth to buy PS17 instead of keep AS?
TonyP
#TonyP
Friday, November 8, 2013 6:41 PM
@Crimsonhelldragon. I am sure the Corel is weighing all of it's options. To have to consumer editing programs isn't really good business. You have to have two of everything, or one really stressed out programming team. While VSP is very stable because they have had the product for a number of years, this latest venture for PS17 hasn't been so good. The one that programmed it are all gone. So, someone has to pick up the slack and learn it. That takes time. How much? I don't know. But I am sure Corel is watching what is happening. While there are 2 versions available for VSP, PS offers a more enthusiast program. I am sure with Corel's clout, they can convince a plugin company to make "lite" versions to work in their programs if they want. But right now, I think they are in a holding pattern on this, and even then, would stick with plugins consumers could afford to buy. Nothing exotic. I would like to see some of Pixelan's plugins make it. They are inexpensive enough. As for what PS17 can do that the others can't, I would like to see them do this in one day including getting the footage, stills, etc....

Déclic Vidéo FX
#Déclic Vidéo FX
Sunday, November 10, 2013 9:35 AM
TonyP said:
...note to webmaster.... the posts do not support tags such as quote or text formatting. My above post would look better since I quoted Crimsonhelldragon and replied to him point by point. Thanks!

Hello TonyP,
The only tag which were not working was the "quote" tag. Bold, italic and underline as well as url tag are working correctly.
Regards,

DV FX
TonyP
#TonyP
Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:58 AM
Awesome! Now, if you can only get PS17 to work.... :)
Déclic Vidéo FX
#Déclic Vidéo FX
Sunday, November 10, 2013 11:24 AM
Now, if you can only get PS17 to work

Sure TonyP, here it is: Download Pinnacle Studio 17.0.1.134 patch
Will solve quite all problems, including Smart Rendering...
;-))))

DV
PS: Still few bugs with the display of the quote, I am working on it...
TonyP
#TonyP
Sunday, November 10, 2013 12:26 PM
heheheh.... very funny!
Honorius
#Honorius
Monday, November 11, 2013 8:46 AM
Hi everybody. As I predicted, PS17 is completely nothing special, just after start a Patch had to be released pretty soon, hah? Corel's going to learn lot of the PS solutions within the program, then will improve it in CVS and then... Studio will go down and down, for enthusiasts only. Not worth to buy and have lots of troubles. Still no alphas in mov... this is like, exclusice version of Windows Movie Makres, Guys.
Good luck for all tryouters! :)
Crimsonhelldragon
#Crimsonhelldragon
Monday, November 11, 2013 10:01 AM
@Honorius, actually many of us predicted this. And you'll right about Corel's projects for CVS and PS.
Crimsonhelldragon
#Crimsonhelldragon
Monday, November 11, 2013 10:12 AM
@TonyP Pinnacle Studio will probably die with the 18th or 19th one when CVS will already catch all the advantages until the PS fans will more and more turn them back and go to other editors. Thanks for the video you sent me. I guess that's polish, right?. Is it made by PS17? You said you got also CVS. Is it VideoStudio Ultimate X6? How practice is? Is it able to perform RMP videos, GIF animated and PNG pictures?

After the introduction there's a 2 min slideshow, said just to don't think is it all the time.
Crimsonhelldragon
#Crimsonhelldragon
Monday, November 11, 2013 10:37 AM
@TonyP, sorry I had to remove the video I sent you, problems with graphics.
Déclic Vidéo FX
#Déclic Vidéo FX
Monday, November 11, 2013 2:23 PM
@ Honorious,

Why the hell are you still reading us, if you are a fan of CVS ???
I am just wondering... Maybe nothing else to do ?

Sorry for being so rude, but I don't understand people who dislike a product but who continue reading a forum of this specific product...

Nonetheless, I always accepted all people here, every critics (constructive usually, and not based on hypothesis).

DV FX
TonyP
#TonyP
Monday, November 11, 2013 3:50 PM
@Honorious, I own Corel's VideoStudioPro X4U and X5U. While they are good solid performers, they are basically for those that want to edit family videos without much fuss. To me, it was better than Studio15 but not as good as Avid Studio. I can do far more with it than VSP. It does have some features I do like, but PS16U has a lot more flexibility allowing more creativity. There is nothing in VSP that can match Montage, although their effects are good. But the Red Giant plugins are what makes the product for me. Along with easy keyframing. It's a matter of personal choice. What works for you. While I have both VSP's on my computer, I edit with PS16U. For me, it's just easier and faster to achieve the results I want. If it dies, it's the fault of management. Nothing else.
@Crimsonhelldragon, there is video at the beginning, Montage used with motion backgrounds and video at the end and title animation. I would like to see this done in one day with VSP. I have the program so know what it can do and can not do. It is entirely up to Corel to see where things go. Who knows? We all have opinions. You can download a free 30day trial of VSP to try for yourself. As I said, I have it, but us PS16 for editing.
Bob R
#Bob R
Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:11 AM
I have encountered 2 errors with 17 Ultimate. First, if I uninstall version 16, version 17 video files in my library are red checked and only audio will play. Putting 16 back resolves the problem. Second, the first patch 17.01 gives me an installer error concerning an msi missing path. I have a Corel suppot ticket but the response has been virtually non-existent to date.
Honorius
#Honorius
Wednesday, November 13, 2013 4:28 PM
Hi Guys, I am not a fun of CVS. I was big fun of PS from 9-12 after the program hadn't meeting my expactations. So I switched to Adobe and am continuosely looking for any changes, tried 15 but still nothing special. I hoped they develop the product to the higher level and after Corel took over Pinnacle, I understood that they had a chance to make one big product from two quite good but not perfect. So, Corel decided to try making 'something' what I do not understand. Either they are trying just making money on us, or decided to show something do PS users until they will release VS7 (or any number they invent) and kill PS.
I always had a fun of the forum and learned a lot from here.
Thanks Guys!
TonyP
#TonyP
Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:11 PM
@Honorius, I can understand a program not meeting someone's expectation. What you failed to miss with S15 is it's ability to better handle HD footage over previous versions. But everything else remained the same. In your reply, you never mentioned Avid Studio or PS16U, which is higher rated than Adobe Elements. It also renders faster. So, your basis of "fun" comes from not actually owning and using the products, but on guessing what they can do.
As for Corel and what their plans are, I have no idea. Others have posted from Corel their intentions for Pinnacle, and they were very positive, but with this release, well, only time will tell. It's their company and they can do what they want with it. Those that use PS16 will not go to VSP. It is a step down in editing, unless there are some major changes going on there. And it would have to be MAJOR.
Bob R
#Bob R
Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:57 PM
Corel Tech Support advised me that my problem with applying the 17.0.1 patch related to my having deleted the display folder from my desktop. I uninstalled version 17 and reinstalled to get the install folder back and I was able to apply the patch successfully.. However, it seems a bit strange that the patch requires the original install folder that I created 2 weeks ago as part of the original installation needed to be maintained on my desktop. Also of note, in the past support has been identified as coming from Avid - support now appears to be coming directly from Corel.
Bob R
#Bob R
Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:07 PM
Should have said install folder in the preceding comment - not display folder - sorry.
TonyP
#TonyP
Friday, November 15, 2013 3:36 AM
Avid has not owned Pinnacle for over a year now. Corel bought it when PS16 came out. Since it was now a Corel company and no longer Avid, they could not use the Avid name. PS16 was to be Avid Studio 2.
As for PS17 being on your desktop, I've left mine there. I would take that folder and burn it to a DVD as a backup in case you have a hard drive crash or have to reinstall it on a new system. You might not be able to download the files again. Just a precaution.
As for using PS17U, I've gone back to PS16U. The program has been very unstable for me. Very. Word is Corel/Pinnacle are working on this issues. Hoping for real "fixes" soon.
Honorius
#Honorius
Friday, November 15, 2013 12:03 PM
@TonyP - congratulations of switching back to 16th. I am waiting for my upgrade option I stll have at PS account till the program is really stable and good enough. Well, maybe will wait even next year or so, for Studio 18, 19, 20... :) don't know. Cheers Guys!

As for the Patch, if some of you burned unpacked install folder to DVD just edit your registry keys and change the path to your DVD-drive, then you can apply the Patch (I read it somewhere in the net)
TonyP
#TonyP
Friday, November 15, 2013 12:41 PM
@Honorius, I have Studio15U, Avid Studio, PS16U and PS17U, along with Corel's VSP X4U and X5U. And yes, in addtion, Magix Pro X5 and Movie Edit Pro 2014. I love editing and use the tool(s) to get the results I want. I also have other additional stand alone programs.
I don't us S15 or Avid Studio at all. The same with VSP X4 & X5. What I do use is PS16U and Magix. The one which gets the most use right now is PS16U.
As for the folder that is unpacked on your desktop with PS17, I left it there and made a backup. That backup can be placed easily back on your desktop if you want to add the patch or reinstall it again. Much safer than going to the registry.
Pat_C
#Pat_C
Saturday, November 16, 2013 10:17 AM
Hi, does PS17 include Mercalli V2/3 or do I have to purchase it as a plugin ?
TonyP
#TonyP
Saturday, November 16, 2013 1:56 PM
No it doesn't include Mercalli, but it does have a built in stabilzer.
Déclic Vidéo FX
#Déclic Vidéo FX
Sunday, November 17, 2013 5:32 AM
Dear Pat_C,

proDAD Mercalli can be found with special discount on our website, that you will not find anywhere else...
;-)
And the installer is working with any Non linear Video Editing software, which means that you will still be able to use proDAD Mercalli, whichever video editor program that you use.

DV FX
Pat_C
#Pat_C
Sunday, November 17, 2013 8:16 AM
Many thanks, I downloaded the SE version and ran a trial pass. Only really wanted to convert one video of some stoats that has not been watchable as it was hand held on full zoom for around 45 minutes...!. Impressed with the result so I purchased the software.
Déclic Vidéo FX
#Déclic Vidéo FX
Sunday, November 17, 2013 8:49 AM
Hello Pat,

Glad that you loved the software !
:-)

DV FX
cIPRIAN
#cIPRIAN
Saturday, November 23, 2013 2:31 PM
Well ladies and gents

This is time to say god bye to this idiot soft. I am really sick to see that they realease a version where:
1. when render u have a nice arrow turn in staed of your frames
2. lines during render

so many defects incredible
the previouse version , version 15 it is much much stable then 16 .
they say render faster 10x .....really , this is a big lie !!
before a file 1440/ x hd with a duration of a 40 minutes i used to render in 8 minutes max now u need one hour list for render
customer service s..... and u can not contact nobody
as being such a crap and they keep runing with version 15,16,17 but they never fix there bugs is time to say adios to this idiot soft and i welcome final cut pro !! a really amazin soft that never get in so much sit with bugs , errors,fixing ,patches and all this crap .
asta la vista and i can guarantee u i will not get back !!
Crimsonhelldragon
#Crimsonhelldragon
Saturday, November 23, 2013 4:13 PM
@clPRIAN Pinnacle Studio 16 & 17 are the legacy of Avid Studio not PS15. About Final Cut Pro, it is a professional video editor so it is obvious it is better than Pinnacle Studio 17 which is a home video one. Anyway Media Composer is better than Final Cut Pro. ...get back you or not.
stef vereecken
#stef vereecken
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:05 AM
I have installed the p17.01,upgrading the P16.01. Most of the items are ok. The fx new blues 1-3 are working, but the rendering and exporting is too slow. The smart movie function doesn't work at all. Contacting the support is really an impossible case, even by using their given code by registration. Finding another way they advised me to uninstal everything of P17 with revouninstaller and reinstal P17. I uninstalled...but reinstall impossible. Now they advise me to format my HD, a SSD, and then reinstal...this without asking some explanation or info about the error itself. I'm a user of Pinnacle from the beginning. Is this the right way to communicate with okd customers? I think they have to provide me a complete program, because Revouninstaller did uninstall too much, even the registration data from the 16. I'm waiting for the re...
TonyP
#TonyP
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:01 PM
I use Revo to uninstall PS17, and if you are not too careful, it will take everything with it related to Pinnacle if you don't use the Moderate uninstall.
stef vereecken
Thursday, November 28, 2013 2:15 AM
Thanks Tony, this is what I let Pinnacle know. Their advise was really bad, because they sais as follow...."Graag zou ik U eerst willen aanraden om een schone installatie van Pinnacle Studio 17 uit te voeren.
U dient hiervoor de volgende instructies te gebruiken:

Download en installeer het programma genaamd Revouninstaller
(Tijdens de installatie dient U eventuele toolbars te deselecteren voor installatie)

Nadat U Revouninstaller geinstalleerd heeft dient U het programma te starten vanaf Uw bureaublad.
Vanuit Revouninstaller dient U alle Pinnacle studio 17 onderdelen van Uw systeem te verwijderen.
Hierna dient U ook alle aangegeven overgebleven bestanden te selecteren en verwijderen. Nadat U alle Pinnacle studio 17 onderdelen verwijderd heeft dient U de PC opnieuw op te starten.
Nadat de PC opnieuw gestart is kunt U opnieuw Pinnacle Studio 17 installeren.
Start deze maal eerst met de installatie van het volgende pakket:

Pinnaclestudio17_setup.exe

Hierna kunt U de content pakketten installeren."
In English translated...you need to eliminate all ot the "surviving"items...I think that is the reason why reinstall is impossible and a total complete install shall be needed. I had this problem time ago with a Powerdir. ugrade. Cyberlink gave me a temporary link for complete install and it worked. We are waitin for RE. Thanks...
TonyP
#TonyP
Thursday, November 28, 2013 6:06 AM
It seems they are getting their advice from users in the Forums. My understanding is that there will be a patch update real soon that will fix a lot of issues in the program. I hope so, because right now, in it's current state, I can not use it.
As I posted, I use Revo and had no problems. PS16 and Avid Studio were left alone and work just fine.
Now, if they only get that patch out....
Photojunky
#Photojunky
Saturday, November 30, 2013 4:32 PM
Render and wait! I was using avid studio pro and "updated" not realizing I was buying a new program. I love the new features and controls but render time is ridiculous. Even dragging a clip into the timeline is a joke. Wait for the green render line to disappear. It is almost unusable. Avid is so much quicker. I am using a quad core 16 GB machine I built but pinnacle keeps the CPU pegged on 100% when avid rendering keeps it under 50%. Hope there's a patch.
TonyP
#TonyP
Saturday, November 30, 2013 5:40 PM
Photojunky, what is your Optimization threshold set at? I would bet 100? Setup>Control Panel>Preview.
Adjust it to around 50.
Photojunky
#Photojunky
Saturday, November 30, 2013 6:32 PM
TonyP, will do and I'll post my results. Thanks for the advice.
Photojunky
#Photojunky
Saturday, November 30, 2013 9:19 PM
TonyP, thanks. That did the trick as far as not having to wait to render when dragging a clip into the timeline, but when playing a clip to preview or edit, it is still very choppy. Any advice?
Off the subject, I like some of the feature in PS 17 so Iafter I am done making a video with avid I sometimes fine tune it with PS. For example I like the screen grab feature and the export feature works better for me in ps than with avid.
Anyway, thanks again.
Paul C
#Paul C
Saturday, December 7, 2013 11:46 AM
A positive nightmare !
Gone are all the easy to use drop down tools menu's , can't rip CD music from a CD ( I have a licence to do so for non commercial use,) 'grab frame ' facility is missing , no easy to use volume/sound channel mixer, several hundred useless fancy transitions - most serious film makers would only use about five of them, and when you try to burn to a DVD it stops halfway with an error message - known to the manufacturers because it is listed on their 'help section'. Only way round it is to create a MPEG file - load it onto the time line as a new project and then burn it to DVD.
TonyP
#TonyP
Saturday, December 7, 2013 1:45 PM
@Paul C, what are you comparing this too? What drop down tools menu are missing? what volume/sound channel mixer is missing? Sounds like you bought the stripped down HD version of the software. The Plus and Ultimate have all of that "stuff". As for all those cheesy transitions, it looks good for marketing, but we all know those that edit most of the time do not use them.
Nmukeshs
#Nmukeshs
Sunday, December 8, 2013 1:10 AM
Do you have a link to a trial version of Pinnacle Studio 17?
Paul C
#Paul C
Sunday, December 8, 2013 6:12 AM
I have the Pinnacle Studio 17 plus - purchased in the UK and registered with the manufacturers and have down loaded and installed the patch.
I am running it on a lap top with 1 TB hard drive, 8GB Ram and an Intel i7 chip - Windows 8.1,
In the previous versions of Pinnacle I have owned - 8,10,and 15 there was a 'tool box' which when clicked provided a drop down menu with such options listed as 'Video effects' - grab video frame,
,add CD music,( a simple procedure where on inserted a CD into the computers D drive and ripped the required music to add to the movie) Change volume, video overlay etc - each having various sub menu's such as picture in picture, chroma key etc.
So far, despite trawling through the 400 page user guide I have not found a simple way of replicating these features,
The 'export/make movie burn problems ( which have been reported on other user forums) did not exist with previous versions. .
Were it not for the fact that there are compatability problems with 8.1 , I would revert to 15 which from my point of view was much more user friendly
Paul C
#Paul C
Sunday, December 8, 2013 11:07 AM
Re Trial version (ref Nmuteshs above) . Seem to recall seeing trial down loads of the Corel website -suggest you 'google' it.
TonyP
#TonyP
Sunday, December 8, 2013 3:16 PM
@Nmukeshs, no trial version yet....
@Paul, PS17 is a totally different program than previous versions of Studio as you have found out. It is really version 2 of Avid Studio renamed Pinnacle Studio after Corel bought Pinnacle from Avid. Can't keep the Avid name. So, the ended Studio as you know it and continued on with Avid Studio with a new name. I've have Studio since v8-15. After Avid Studio, I never went back to S15U. That's over 2 years ago. You can grab a frame by clicking on that little Camera on the icon. Easy, isn't it. It will save it at the default location.
For video effects, just, as in S15 double left click on a clip and presto, you are there. I think you should spend some time watching the online tutorials to get you up to speed and show you the differences. You can watch them.
Paul C
#Paul C
Monday, December 9, 2013 4:46 AM
@TonyP
Many thanks for the tips - I confess I was anxious to play with the 'new toy' and waded in without taking the time to view the tutorial - relied on previous experience and that 400 page 'manual'.
I thought the change in appearance of the screen was the result of Corel's ownership of Paintbox - which I also use - finding it easier than 'Photoshop'.
Still left with the lack of CD ripping - overcome by using Audacity to produce a suitable music file - but not as convenient .
And there remains the exporting to DVD - overcome by making a MPEG file, loading it as a new project and then burning to DVD.
Will view the tutorial and may be I will grow to love P17.
Thanks again for your help.
TonyP
#TonyP
Monday, December 9, 2013 6:43 AM
No problem! I happen to really like this program more than it's competitors. Sure, it doesn't have some of their features, but for an editor, it is great. Every track can be either audio, video or both. Not like in some programs that limit those tracks. Also, it keeps your file structure. Again, not like the others I have, that you have to create new folders and import into them. Time consuming. Or, one of the programs I have, has a limit of 2500 assets total. Funny considering I have way more than that. Keep working with the program and you will find it far more easier to edit once you understand it.
Happy Editing!
Paul C
#Paul C
Wednesday, December 11, 2013 12:31 PM
Now another problem. Having completed a video I attempted to export it to a DVD, When the process was about 50% an error message stating an internal error no 0x800044005 had occurred and the burning process shut down. Reference to the 'help' section on the company website suggested several remedies - none of which worked - in the end I had to make do with a MPEG file rather than a true DVD.
The fact that the error is included on the web site suggests it is well known - is/will there be a fix ?
TonyP
#TonyP
Monday, December 16, 2013 7:46 AM
@Photojunky... sorry for the late response. When you change the Optimization threshold, your playback will be a little choppy. My computer is fairly fast, so my settings are Optimization set to 80 or higher and Preview Quality set to balanced. I have hardware acceleration turned on. If you want to edit fast and your computer is having a tough time, edit, and when finished, to get an idea of how things will look, you can turn Optimization to 100 and Preview Quality to Best Quality.
kmhamza
#kmhamza
Friday, December 20, 2013 10:11 PM
friends, I found there is a difficult to import movie clips from other systems through net work. pl. suggest how to take clips working with Pinnacle 15.
thanks in advance. MERRY CHRISTMAS.
TonyP
#TonyP
Thursday, December 26, 2013 2:32 PM
Have you tried adding the folders with the clips to the Watchfolder list?
stef vereecken
#stef vereecken
Friday, December 27, 2013 1:53 AM
Hereunder an RE I made to Pinnacle support about a serious question of installation pinnacle 17 and patches 17.01 and 17.02...
"Hello, I asked for a refund as it was impossible to fix the problem with the smartmovie function. I didn't yet got the believed refund. Therefore I tried again the install and applied the patch 17.02 too. First question...why didn't the support never let me know there is a patch that fixed the specific problem. OK, the smartmovie is really working now... but first and big problem to resolve... all the 3d films i used in my projects are imported as 2D pictures... and no way to change this... further...all personal setting such as collections... and lot of plugins are disappeared... what a mess... can somebody give me a solution to arrange that pinnacle 17 do recognize the 3d format again... even pinnacle 16 is still doing it in the right way...Thanks a lot for RE..."
Has somebody any solution? Thanks a lot...
Bob R
#Bob R
Sunday, December 29, 2013 9:32 PM
I am pleased to note that the 17.02 patch resolved 2 problems I was having:
. MTS video files would not play unless I left version 16 installed
. I did not need to have the original install file on my desk top to install the latest patch
While I still had an open case with Corel, I received no communication to indicate I should apply the patch to resolve my issues.
None the less, it does appear that my problems were addressed.
TonyP
#TonyP
Monday, December 30, 2013 3:57 AM
There is a lot that Corel Tech do not know about the product that those that actually use it do, along with the Moderators and experienced users in the Pinnacle user forums (a great source of info and help). I guess they have to know how to basically use most of the products (and Corel has a lot).
I have an open case with them on their VSP X6U and am waiting for a reply. I guess it won't come until after New Years.
My understanding in the forums is that they are working on addressing these and other show stopping issues. The problem is, when Corel took over Pinnacle, they let go of the entire Munich programming team that created the program. So, the new team has to learn the "ins and outs" that the old team already knew. In addition, the new team is in Kiev. Anyone following the news knows what is happening in the Ukraine, which might hamper work. This along with again, the Christmas/New Years holidays.
Hoping for a better New Year from Corel/Pinnacle.
Dave Hodgkinson
#Dave Hodgkinson
Thursday, January 2, 2014 10:23 AM
Anyone using the screen capture software in studio 17. I can capture ok but when I then edit it and export then the finished clip is very fussy - the original capture clip is fine
Any help appreciated Thank you
Dave
tony rogers
#tony rogers
Sunday, January 26, 2014 2:45 AM
I decided purchase an upgrade called ultimate 17 costing £80. I ordered it on line and it said it would arrive in two to three days (It actually took six days). I then downloaded the disc onto my computer, that took over one hour, when it had finished. I could not believe the rubbish this programme was. User friendly it was not, in fact it was so complicated I did not have a clue how to operate it, so I went on the internet looking for a tutorial, I found two, One was by a 13 year old boy who showed little or nothing the other was by a young man who insisted on using “Pop-Speak” a kind of English barely known to man, after suffering this I then uninstalled the programme and decided to revert to my original Studio 12 that worked perfectly. So this little exercise just cost me £80 and just shows that I should not buy these things without reading other peoples comments on products first. I have since read revues by other “satisfied customers” who rave about this leads me to believe that these people work for Pinnacle or I’m stupid in not understanding it. If anybody would like this upgrade then you are welcome to have it free of charge...
Déclic Vidéo FX
#Déclic Vidéo FX
Sunday, January 26, 2014 4:38 AM
@ tony rogers: {...} ... and then, you finally found our website, and you decided to put a comment here for giving away your version for free !... {...}
Without reading our comments and other helpful advice. Up to you, welcome aboard, see you here or... elsewhere ?
:-)
DV FX
tony rogers
#tony rogers
Sunday, January 26, 2014 4:47 AM
If you are going to reply to my comments, then at least spell my name correctly.
Déclic Vidéo FX
#Déclic Vidéo FX
Sunday, January 26, 2014 4:59 AM
Dear Mister Tony Rogers,

Are you writing to me ? I did not see my name your post, that's why I am wondering...
If you write to me, I do hope that you will forgive my wrong typing, I apologize and I do hope that you will not slap on my wrist. Noooo please, be gentle my dear Tony. ;-)

Have a good day,
Déclic Vidéo FX
PS: I had to edit your initial post, there were plenty of carriage return which makes your post difficult to read.
tony rogers
#tony rogers
Sunday, January 26, 2014 6:41 AM
The difficulty you have in reading my post is no doubt on a par with the problems I had with Studio 17 upgrade, I only hope this correspondence will deter future sales of your product.
saby
#saby
Sunday, January 26, 2014 6:49 AM
The difficulty you have in understanding who we are is no doubt on par with your last comments.

We are not Corel. We are not Pinnacle. We don't sell any of their products, nor any products at all.
We are just volonteers who are writing articles (news + tutos) about Pinnacle Studio's products.

Did you ever read our welcome page ?
TonyP
#TonyP
Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:05 AM
@tony rogers. As posted above, there are a lot of useful information and this site is a source of great information on Pinnacle products.
But your inability to use the product is not the function of the product, but of you not wanting to learn how to use it. I do understand how the naming of the product has confused a lot of people thinking it was a revision of their beloved Studio, but it is not. It is an entirely different program. A little history lesson for you to help you better understand. Avid bought Pinnacle and continued to market Studio. But, Pinnacle was also working on an editor to replace Liquid, but with more stripped down features. Avid Studio was born. Now, Avid suffers $$$ problems and sells Pinnacle to Corel. The Studio you know and love is a direct competitor to their own VideoStudioPro. So, they kill of Studio at version 15, and rename Avid Studio version 2 Pinnacle Studio 16. Imagine those that upgraded thinking legacy Studio. To east that transition, ClassOnDemand put out video tutorials. You can watch them HERE. PS16 and PS17 are virtually the same. Since you have a problem with "Pop speak" (although thousands that watch his videos do not), you can skip the first video, although you will be doing yourself a disservice.
I do not, nor have ever been employed by Corel, Pinnacle or Avid. I do know a great product when I use it. I also own Corel's VideoStudioProX6 Ultimate and Powerdirect 12U. I only use PS16/17. I've owned and used every version of Studio since v8, and not the basic, but Ultimate versions. I've owned and used Pinnacle Edition/Avid Liquid along with Premiere. I cut my editing teeth on an Amiga/Video Toaster, then next was DPS Editbay. So, I've had my share of products. And while my favorite was Liquid, PS16 blows Studio out of the galaxy. But then, you have to take some time to learn it. Now, threaten all you like about your "correspondence" deterring sales. It won't. Maybe you can learn how to use it and come back and recant what you have posted. If not, you still can sit back with S12 and not know the freedom of unlimited tracks, zillions of effects/transitions, key framing all over the place plus Red Giant tools. Ahhhh... the wonderful joys of editing you are going to miss.
Happy editing!
TonyP
#TonyP
Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:06 AM
@tony rogers, I'll take your free upgrade!
photojunky
Sunday, January 26, 2014 10:50 AM
TonyP, loved your last post and the history. Thanks for posting.
TonyP
#TonyP
Sunday, January 26, 2014 11:07 AM
@photojunky, thanks. I forgot to add Pinnacle's DV500 that got me into the Pinnacle brand in the first place! I originally bought the Matrox RT2500 for more $$$, but to me offered a better product. In spite of having all recommended components, it would not work. Back when tech support was real, they were on the phone with me just about every day trying to see why the product did not work. I took it back and got the DV500, Spicemaster and some cash back. Been happy ever since. But Edition/Liquid was truly an awesome program that competed with Media Composer for less $$$ and did more. So, Avid killed it. If they had continued development of it (64bit and codecs), I would still be using it. Imagine multicam with 16 cameras. That gives you an idea of the power of that program!

Now... about that freebie.... I'm waitin!!
Jerry
#Jerry
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 2:46 PM
Sorry, folks, but this is typical garbage Pinnacle junk. Crashes to the point of distraction. The instability issue alone should relegate this program to the junk heap. I would love to see a class action suit against companies like this who sell products that would be illegal in any other consumer arena. Given to me as a Christmas gift by my son, which is even worse. Pure unadulterated crap, plain and simple. Can't even uninstall it and reinstall it on the same machine. Total waste of money.
TonyP
#TonyP
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 3:15 PM
@Jerry, you wanna see the videos I have done with the program? Had a real rush job on this one. Did it in one day including the photos and video. Done as fast as my fingers could move since I use keyboard shortcuts and am a touch typist (do not look at the keys and use all 10 fingers).
Used a lot of Montage, Correction Editor, multiple overlayed tracks, tons of markers on the timeline and of course titles and music. Click here
But then, my computer can handle the program. Oh there are problems, but for my short AVCHD stuff and Canon DSLR 18megapixel images, it works.
alderny
#alderny
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 4:24 PM
TonyP, I'd like to see your video, but YouTube says it's not available in my country (UK). I didn't think YouTube worked like that.
TonyP
#TonyP
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 4:43 PM
Bummer. First I've heard of that one! Here is a link to the Vimeo site.
alderny
#alderny
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 4:49 PM
Thanks TonyP that worked fine.
TonyP
#TonyP
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 5:04 PM
Critique always welcomed.
Graham
#Graham
Thursday, February 6, 2014 12:08 AM
Thanks for the chance to see what can be done.I liked the look you got along with a strong sense of pace.
I would like to comment that you have impeccable English. I would have thought you were from the east coast of USA until I watched your videos.P.S. to the haters,have you ever noticed the million's of line of code it takes to make a program work? Even then it's made for the"factory" version of Windows. Any customized OS,such as on e-machines,or ASUStek,or any other machine that comes with a "restore disc" complete with bloat ware , are problematic. Many times I have blamed the idiots at Pinnacle only to realize that I had corrupted Windows again with some other update. There is no excuse for poor customer service. I have been lucky that since a problem with an update disc for Studio 11,which they promptly replaced,I haven't had a defective product.....Knock on wood
TonyP
#TonyP
Thursday, February 6, 2014 6:12 AM
@Graham, the reason for my strong English is that I am from the East coast. NYC. Only been here in Poland 2 years. Wife is Polish. Retired and can afford to live here. This could never happen in NYC. I now do all the video for my church. Notice how the songs are in English. My wife does the subtitles for me and I put them on the timeline. Some of the other things I have done are to show the people back home where I now live and what is going on in my life.
Avid Studio is from the ground up a new program. S15 borrowed the background rendering and ability to work with AVCHD from it. Avid Studio was version 1 and very stable on my machine. PS16 (v2) also was stable with some changes and features added. The .1 update added the Navigator bar with I find extremely useful, but broke Red Giant's Particular (which is still broke in PS17.1). With the addition of Smartrender and 4K, it broke PS17 and PS16 because of the shared resources. The next update separated the shared resources, so the libraries had to be rebuilt. Time consuming and still not up to PS16 or AS1, but getting there. Now, and appearance from Corel in the forums saying they are putting more resources into fixing the issues. While those that are suffering might not be happy (and I can't blame them), there looks like hope is coming.
Corel could have just ended Pinnacle now and left everyone pissed. But they have appeared making statements of commitment. Only time will tell if it comes to pass. I hope so. Out of all the consumer editors (and I own most of them), I edit with this one. Hoping too that customer service (which I and others have ragged about in the forums) gets better, but I do not think this will happen. It's a model that other companies are now using. Forums for customer support. Nothing like free helpers (and I am in this bunch).
photojunky
Thursday, February 6, 2014 10:32 AM
Hey Tony, I grew up in NYC as well. 95th west end. Went to City as school, Baldwin, little red school house and EI. Not sure if those schools are around anymore. Live near SF now and can retire anywhere from 6 months to 4.5 years depending on how much I want in pension. I know what you mean about being able to afford retirement in a big US city. Forget it. My wife and I are looking into a big move when the time comes, although not as big as Poland.
saby
#saby
Thursday, February 6, 2014 11:14 AM
Hi folks,

As we mentioned in our news Our first good resolution for 2014, we do not want the comments section becomes a forum.
Please respect this rule.

Thanks.
photojunky
Thursday, February 6, 2014 11:28 AM
Sorry bout that. Regarding the product. Should never have switched from Avid studio. Pinnacle looks similar but is slow as hell on my powerful computer. It takes for ever to render despite all the advice I have received. If it worked quicker it does have some nice features but it is just too damn slow. And the update made it so all my folders changed. I wish I had never updated. Too many issues.
TonyP
#TonyP
Thursday, February 6, 2014 11:52 AM
you got it saby....
KOZ
#KOZ
Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:05 PM
hey out there, can you put PS 17+ on your laptop and desktop? I own both and would like to use it on both... I purchased it but havent installed yet till I know the answer. thanks
saby
#saby
Thursday, April 17, 2014 12:43 AM
Hi,

The CLUF you signed does not allow installation on more than one computer.
But until you don't use it on your 2 PC's at the same time, I guess nobody would blame you.
saby
#saby
Thursday, April 24, 2014 2:20 AM
@ Graham & Tony
I've deleted your last comments. We do not want this section to become a forum.
Moe
#Moe
Monday, May 19, 2014 10:46 AM
Pinnacle 17 Plus does not hold a candle to previous versions of Pinnacle Studio 10.7 through to Pinnacle 14 which is the one I'm using now.I bought 17 Plus ,installed it then added the patch after installation.I then downloaded some hd videos from youtube.I imported them into PS17 and I tried to drag them into the timeline.Every time I tries this the program closed on me .So compared to PS10.8 to PS14 PS17 is crap.
photojunky
Monday, May 19, 2014 11:36 AM
I agree Moe. I have it on my computer but still use Avid studio pro. It is slow as hell no matter what setting I use. Playback and rendering are a joke for some reason but yet with Avid there is no problem. I've tried everything people have told me on the forums including this one but with no luck. It is so slow and jittery in some cases that it is simply not usable. I do like they interface and some of the changes, if only they didn't take so long to function.
Photojunky
#Photojunky
Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:19 PM
So I finally gave up and deleted this program and immediately afterwards there is no sound when using my avid studio pro program although when I outputted a file to my desktop it did have sound, just not when editing. I'm wondering if there was some shared file that got deleted. Wish I never installed the program in the first place.
TonyP
#TonyP
Friday, August 1, 2014 4:05 AM
@Photojunky, the little speaker icon on the lower right of your desktop taskbar, select Volume Mixer and make sure that the volume is all the way up for NGStudio.
I still use (and there is a new patch 17.6) the PS17 for editing. I do not experience the problems that you have. Remember, there are a zillion different combinations of computer specs out there, so almost anything could be the problem. Being someone who built custom computers (100's) over the years for businesses and personal use, trouble shooting is something I can do if I have the computer in front of me actually watching and monitoring it's responses. Doing it through this forum and others is a "hit and miss" and "trial and error" type of thing.
 

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