ATI vs NVIDIA for Pinnacle Studio, BluffTitler or proDAD ?

Déclic Vidéo FX posted on April 18, 2014 08:45

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ATI vs NVIDIA for Pinnacle Studio, BluffTitler or proDAD ?

With the last Pinnacle Studio 17.3 patch (Download Pinnacle Studio patch 17.3.0.280), I have a severe problem, let's called it a bug or showstopper, since I am no longer able to use Pinnacle Studio 17.3 which is constantly crashing (I returned back to version 17.2).

So, given that :

I have not had a phenomenal success on the forum ( see my post here );
the Pinnacle developper team remained deaf to my problem;
this version seems to work well with others.

I thought I was alone with this problem... So, I had a look to Le Papy , and saby configuration, and I concluded that I was very close to the configuration of Le Papy, with the exception of the graphics card (I am ATI, he is NVIDIA)... In addition, Le Papy has no problem... Because Pinnacle Studio claims that its software is adapted to CUDA technology used in NVIDIA graphics (and my problem is mainly a problem of preview and not rendering), I decided to invest in a beautiful new graphic card (300$), an NVIDIA - MSI GeForce GTX -760 2GD5/OC (800 MHz 2048 MB PCI- Express), which is overclocked compared to the original card.

So I bought the new graphic card, I installed it, I was delighted . Of course, I made some previews and redering with Studio and the old card, just to check the difference...

INCREDIBLE: ATI or NVIDIA , same fight (except I prefer NVIDIA installation and drivers update, everything is automated and more convenient than the ATI drivers) .

Regarding Pinnacle Studio: ATI or NVIDIA, it does not change ANYTHING! Nothing... I 'm completely blown away. My old graphics card is a graphics card XFX HD- 5770 - ZNFA PCIe (Radeon HD5770 1024 MB DDR5 2xDVI HDMI Display Port), while the new one is much more powerful... Well, for Pinnacle Studio, it does not change anything, it does not make any use of the GPU (graphics processor unit), should it be for rendering or for previewing.

Difference in rendering time (background rendering or export only, with or without hardware acceleration): 1 second difference (while the whole takes 4:30)... Is that clear enough ? On one side ATI 4:30 and 4:29 for NVIDIA (should it be background rendering or export).

CONCLUSION : Do *NOT* jump on a new graphic card, it's of NO use, you will not gain anything with Pinnacle Studio which is not using CUDA nor does it using GPU... By cons, BluffTitler or proDAD Vitascene / proDAD Mercalli / proDAD Heroglyph are much faster and rendering process is fast, on their side, they have developers who know how to use the power of the GPU ...

Take note that my processor is going up to 90% when doing a rendering (with the old card or the new one), when doing a background rendering or exporting. For Le Papy, it's only 40-50% (our difference is with the processor, I have an i7- 960 while he has an i7- 3770K - see comparison here ). Le Papy made a test with the same duration than me, he encodes in 2:13 (for 03:10 duration) while I encode in 4:44 (HD 1080p). So, if you want to increase the performance of your Pinnacle Studio, you know what to do... Upgrade your processor...

Windows Experience Index for Papy:

Web Experience Index Le Papy

Windows Experience Index for Déclic Vidéo:

Web Experience Index Déclic Vidéo

Be aware...

Déclic Vidéo configuration for those who asked for:

INTEL Quad Core i7-960 3.2 GHz [LGA1366 - 8MB - QPI 4800 MT/s]
NOCTUA NH-U12P SE2 ventilator
MotherBoard: ASUS P6X58D-E (Intel X58 / ICH10R - Socket 1366 - FSB 6400)
Memory DDR3 Tripple Channel 12GB 2x[3x2GB] DDR1333 (PC3-10666) - CORSAIR TR3X [TR3X6G1333C9]
OLD Graphic Card XFX HD-5770-ZNFA PCIe (Radeon HD5770 1024 MB 2xDVI HDMI Display Port DDR5)
NEW Graphic Card NVIDIA - MSI GeForce GTX -760 2GD5/OC (800 MHz 2048 MB PCI- Express)
Hard Disk C:\ Crucial SSD M4 CT256M4SSD2 2,5" Marvell SATA III Epaisseur 9,5mm 256 Go
Video Hard Disk (D:\) 2 x 1 To RAID 0 (SATA600 1.0 To 7200 tours WD Caviar Black (64 MB) [WD1002FAEX]
Data Hard Disk SATAII 320 GB WESTERN DIGITAL Caviar SE (16 MB) WDC WD3200KS-00PFBO 7200 rpm
Backup Hard Disk SATAII 1 To SAMSUNG SpinPoint F1 HD103UJ (32 Mo)
Case ANTEC P183 Black
Alimentation ENERMAX 700W Modu87+
OS Windows 7 ULTIMATE 64 bits English

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#Kirasic

Friday, April 18, 2014 10:33 AM

Hi
The best solution is to skip Pinnacle and to bay Adobe Premiere Elements 12
the program without bu5a4K4pgs

#Déclic Vidéo FX

Friday, April 18, 2014 11:34 AM

Might be a solution I would immediately adopt (or migrating to iMovie or similar on Mac), if I would not have invested so many money into plugins and other third parties system which works well...... Maybe Studio 18 will be better...

DV

#videoma3857

Friday, April 18, 2014 2:31 PM

I have a machine in between.
Processor 7.6, Memory 7.6, Both graphics, 7.9 , But my hard drive (old sata disc) is 5.9.
What type of hard drive is used for 7.9?? SSD????
I have had little problems to no problems, though I am yet to make DVD, - all my projects are mp4.
As curiosity - what mother boards do you, Saby and Le Pappy have? Could this be the difference of working and not?

I remember I had much trouble with Studio 10 and went back to 9. I waited until 12 before upgrading again.+

De Click, If Studio goes to 64 bit will your plug ins become a worthless investment or do they come in both 64 and 32 bit? Sad if you have to replace.
I like the idea of Pro Dad to create stand alone programs. It is not as convenient as plug in, but can be created superior by master programmers who know how to use full power of the computer.

#alderny

Friday, April 18, 2014 3:06 PM

Before jumping ship, just take a look at what some users are saying about Adobe Premier Elements 12

#saby

Friday, April 18, 2014 3:34 PM

@ Kirasic
The best solution is to stop telling rot. Every softwares do have bugs. If I google "bugs premiere elements 12" I receive 1050000 results, just in French. A lot of results for a bugfree software, don't you think ?

@ videoma3857
My mobo : ASUS SABERTOOTH P67 REV 3.0

#Graham

Friday, April 18, 2014 6:52 PM

I am using a machine with a 6 c0re AMD T-1045 and I am right in the middle CPU use wise compared to these two rigs.I use a GTS 450 for a GPU and notice that it gets used a lot while previewing and rendering for preview.Where it seems to dropout is while exporting. Mind you I am using PS 16 and don't plan to upgrade untill a major upgrade such as 64 bit is offered.I have compared Pinnacle against some of the other more expensive apps. and found that as a package unless your are doing a lot of Professional ,ie comercials, non-realality TV,or film, you just can't beat it.The touches of "Liquid" even dumb down makes a difference. Yes multiple camera would be nice but I started out in film and hand cranked synchronisers don't have multiple viewers so I'm kind of used to the workflow.Adobe is kind of cool but for $49.00 a month do you really need everything they make? I think it comes down to budget and input and export files needs.i.e. what do you want for under $500.00.There are no audio editors in this price range.

#TonyP

Saturday, April 19, 2014 4:51 AM

I use ATI (HD7870) and do not suffer. I haven't had the problems that others have had with export. Maybe it's because most of my projects are under 10 minutes. Oh, using AMD FX8350 overclocked too and 16gigs of ram. BUT, I am using a mechanical hard drive. In the forums, there are people reporting problems with SSD's drives for some reason. My machine is a "do everything" machine. Nothing special except I maintain it with defrag, reg clean and junk file clean often.
If you go to any forum of any software, there will be people with problems. So, I guess it's best to just not use a computer!

#Déclic Vidéo FX

Saturday, April 19, 2014 5:54 AM

Hi,

Regarding my configuration, I updated the article and put my whole configuration at the end of the article. Yes I am using SSD for C:\ (not needed for Video hard disk, RAID is enough - but not required).

@ Videoma3857, we have different motherboard with Le Papy, and I do confirm that it should be the difference (with the processor of course, I assume that the new technology used in Papy's processor and supported by his motherboard might be the cause of the absence of problem he has). Finally, regarding the proDAD plugins, they are all 32 bits and 64 bits (two versions exist, and when you buy one plugin, you get both versions - two different executable).

@ Graham, I am more than interested to know how you could say: "I use a GTS 450 for a GPU and notice that it gets used a lot while previewing and rendering for preview". Can you please clarify and specify ? If it would be the case, and if Pinnacle Studio would use (correctly) GPU, don't you think that I should see a difference between my two graphic card which are completely different and don't have the same power at all ?...
@ TonyP, please don't confuse export and preview... With preview, one could expect the GPU to be used, while for rendering it is not used. Well, for preview, I have seen in my case that it does not change anything... I am opened to any tests, I have 2 graphics cards completely different, and now I can see that ON THE SAME CONFIGURATION, the GPU is not used at all...

Interesting enough to be pointed out.
DV FX

#casper01

Saturday, April 19, 2014 9:20 AM

Processor--Intel Core2 Quad CPU Q9550@====Score 7,3
Geheugen(Ram)--4,00 GB ====Score 7,3
Grafische Kaart----NVIDIA Gef 9600GT ====Score 6,8
Grafische weergave voor spellen 2813 MB ====Score 6,8
Primaire harde schijf 362 beschikbaar(629GB totaal)==5,9

Bepaald door laagste score 5,9.

Fabrikant Intel
model DP455G
type Computer 64 Bits besturingssysteem
aantal processoren 4

Tot heden met Pinnacle studio17 UT geen problemen gehad.

dit is mijn systeem, koop niks anders eerst filmpjes maken.
gr,casper01

#casper01

Saturday, April 19, 2014 9:28 AM

Processor - Intel Core2 Quad CPU Q9550 @ 7,3 Score ====

Memory (Ram) - 4.00 GB ==== Score 7.3

Graphics Card NVIDIA Gef 9600GT ---- ==== Score 6.8

Graphical representation for games 2813 Score 6.8 MB ====

Primary hard disk drive 362 is available (629GB Total) 5.9 ==

Determined by lowest score 5.9.

manufacturer Intel
model DP455G
type of computer operating system 64 Bits
number of processors 4

To date Pinnacle studio17 UT had any problems.

this is my system, buy nothing but make movies first.
g, casper01

#TonyP

Saturday, April 19, 2014 10:52 AM

@DV. I am not confusing the difference between Preview and Export. There has been a lot of discussion on the use of the GPU in rendering, ATI vs Nvidia. Yes, CUDA is suppose to be supported, but Pinnacle has not said "how". When Exporting, I see the GPU being used, but very very little. The bulk (as everyone knows) of rendering is the CPU. I agree. I would love to see more usage of the GPU and go with OpenCL since it is becoming more mainstream with the "big boys" supporting it now instead of just CUDA. Both ATI and Nvidia use OpenCL. We also know that a GPU is far faster at rendering than the CPU.
As for Preview, I agree with you totally. A fast GPU makes no difference. Heck, having a fast GPU for Pinnacle is really, at the moment, a waste of money unless you are a gamer too. I have always said any decent low midrange card is more than adequate.
Looking forward for the day when Pinnacle will use the GPU more in rendering, along with going full 64bit.

#Déclic Vidéo FX

Saturday, April 19, 2014 3:07 PM

Dear TonyP, thanks for clarifying, I did not understand first.
Can you clarify *HOW* you see that for export, the GPU is being used (but very very little as you said) ??? I am interested...
If it was the case (even very very little), I would have seen a difference between my old card and the new one, which are very different in rendering process (with BluffTitler or proDAD for example, the difference is very big, ~50% better performance !!!).

No definitely, Pinnacle Studio does not make any use of recent GPU, and is not using it at all (unless you have an old processor like Core 2 Duo which is @ 100% when exporting........ In such case, GPU might help, we just seen this with Le Papy)

DV FX

#TonyP

Monday, April 21, 2014 2:10 PM

@DV... I have this little app running (also for CPU, Network and hard drive) so I can see it what is happening. I agree, Pinnacle makes hardly any use, but when it does, my AMD HD7870 OC will certainly move. And it's faster than the old HD5770. But since it uses the GPU so little, the difference in time is hardly noticed.
GPU Meter

#Graham

Friday, October 10, 2014 2:27 PM

You were right to question my GC's card. The usage turned out to be the card doing it's normal video display. Pinnacle 16 it's self did not seem to use the GPU for rendering just display. Although that did seem to improve a little with my new GTX 760. Sorry for the misinformation.

#TonyP

Friday, October 17, 2014 2:24 PM

@Graham, I disagree. While PS16's usage of the GPU is minimal, it does use it. Look at the link I provided in my post for GPU Meter. Export and look at the GPU usage.